Please support this blog (with money)

Short version

It has always felt like a gift that people read things I write, and I enjoyed reciprocating that by sharing my writing for free.  Until recently I had enough income to pull that off and still cover material needs. That is no longer true, and while it is not an urgent problem, I would like to solve it while that is still true. However it’s important to me to keep this blog free. To square this, I’m asking for your support. If you value this blog and can comfortably do so, please consider sending some of that value back my way via Patreon or Paypal.

Long version

I love my work and this blog. Clients paying me to learn interesting things that they immediately use to help people would be amazing on its own, but then grantmakers pay me to do more speculative EV projects of my choosing. Then I get to publish my work and help more people. I’m incredibly fortunate to do this, and at a wage that supports a good lifestyle in a reasonable number of hours.

Unfortunately, I can’t work a reasonable number of hours. It’s been years since I could work a full work-week, but until recently I could still work enough. That stopped being true this winter (short version: furniture grew mold leading to a devastating health cascade).  I spent months barely able to work while firehosing money at the medical system (ballpark total cost: $100,000, plus an intense desire to own my own home). I’m doing much better although not fully healed now and God willing this was a one time thing, but 10 years ago I needed a year off work for dental surgery, and I’ll consider myself lucky if it takes 10 years before my next “one off” multi-month health problem. My limited hours in good times aren’t enough to make up for the total absence of hours in bad times. Disability insurance refused to sell to me at any price back when I had an excellent work attendance record and very minor medical issues, so I assume they’d use a flamethrower if I tried now. This has me interested in finding ways to decouple my income from my working hours.

The obvious thing to do is monetize this blog. Except I hate gating zero-marginal-cost content, especially health content. It keeps out the people who most need the help. It’s also hard to match price to value – any given post could be a waste of your time or a life changing intervention, and you may not know which for years. So I don’t want to do any kind of paywall. Instead, I’m asking for voluntary contributions, based on your evaluation of the value my work has provided you. That way you can match price to value, no one gets locked out of content they need, and I can invest in this blog while staying financially secure. 

How to give me money

If you’d like to make a one-time payment, you can paypal me at acesounderglass@gmail.com. This will get me caught up on this winter’s lost income and medical expenses. If your generosity exceeds Paypal’s petty limitations or you just prefer a different format, email me at that same address and we’ll work something out. 

If you would like to give ongoing support, you can join my Patreon. This will let me spend more time on my top-choice project and invest more in this blog on an ongoing basis. I’ve recently added real rewards to my patreon, including a discord, live calls for each post, and for the most discerning of patrons, all the plankton you can eat. For the moment these are experimental, and you can help me out by telling me what you’d like to see. 

If you’re already a Patreon patron – first of all, thank you. Second, take a look at the new tiers. I’m not allowed to switch you to reward tiers even if you’re already giving enough to qualify for them, and the $1 tier has been removed. 

If you would like to give one-time support to specific projects: watch this space. Once my current projects wrap up, I plan on putting some projects on Manifund, which is nonprofit Kickstarter with an impact certificate market attached. 

Current and Potential Projects

If you’re providing forward-looking money, you might care about what kinds of things that money will go towards. I don’t want to make promises, but this list should give you some idea of what I am working on now and might do in the near future: 

  • I have at least one more investigation (salt water gargle) in my series on interventions for upper respiratory infection.
  • I am investigating the development of mathematical and scientific paradigms. Right now the nominal focus is a case study of chaos theory, but the current winds are blowing it towards something more like “when science became uncertain”.
    • In my dream world there are lots of follow-ups to this project. 
  • Research on stimulant usage. I originally conceived of this as a lit review, but based on preliminary work I think my frame might be more like “stimulant usage as a learnable skill”.
    • The lit review version of this received a grant from Lightspeed Grants, but I redirected it (with permission) to the respiratory infection work. Lightspeed is alas no longer with us so can’t fund the project a second time.
  • Oops health becomes my full time job again and I have to spend 10 hours/day taking care of myself and another 10 sleeping.
  • I have at least six drafts in a series on cults and eucults. This never gets to the top of my list because untangling the dependencies is very time consuming.
  • Every year or two I have a fantastic post on something random. I don’t know what the next Luck Based Medicine or Power Buys You Distance From The Crime is but I’m confident there will be one. 
  • Feedback loops for exercise.
  • Compare AI-based research tools. 
  • Improve my writing. For the in-the-weeds science-y posts I’d qualify my writing as “fine”. I’d like to do better, but the world is full of things that are more fun or more income generating so it never reaches the top of the list. Patreon would create more incentive and more slack to pursue this. 

Counterarguments

Fungibility

One reason you might choose not to contribute is if you think this will funge against money from institutions with deep pockets.  I think funging
will be minimal because:

  • I asked two grantmakers if this was a risk. Both said the median impact was zero, one put the 99th percentile funging at 20-30%
  • There may not be grant funding available for me at all. My biggest granter, Lightspeed, no longer exists, and other grantmakers who’ve funded me are not good fits for upcoming projects. 
  • Assuming there was a grantmaker, I don’t think I could talk them into paying me enough to self-fund disability insurance. But I do think I can talk them into viewing small donor support as funding medically-imposed downtime that shouldn’t funge with grants. So however much they’d reduce funding to someone capable of full-time work, I should suffer less than that. 

This is only true to a point: at (wild-ass guess) $200k/year off my blog I expect grantmakers (assuming there are any relevant to me) to cease funding anything unless it has significant expenses or can’t be published, and I wouldn’t disagree with that choice. 

It’s also only true for back-support and patreon. I expect Manifund-type funding to funge pretty directly, although there’s something matching-like in that the more money I make elsewhere, the more comfortable I feel accepting unaligned grant money. 

[I showed this section to one of those grantmakers and he said it “Seems pretty reasonable”, which I interpret as he’s not committing to any particular detail but nothing is so wrong it’s easy to correct]

Low-urgency

I view my health as a giant ball of debt. The payments are steep and will eventually overwhelm my savings, but not today, and not in the next year either. There is time for the king to die, the horse to die, or the horse to learn to talk. I’m asking now because I feel far more comfortable asking for modest payment for value provided than crying for a large bailout after it becomes an emergency. But I don’t want to trick anyone into thinking my situation is desperate before it becomes so.

I mentioned that this experience left me with a burning desire to own my house. I should clarify that the mold problem was (probably) in my furniture, not the walls, and is (probably) fixed now, so I don’t need to move in the immediate future. However I am very tired of moving and landlords and environmental toxin roulette. I dream of living in a place that, should I discover mold, or the heating system is untenable, or the paint chips off when you breathe on the wall, I will have the power to fix it. I’m also so tired of moving.

Why I want this blog to stay free

  1. I meant it when I said having a readership is a gift and paywalling posts changes that relationship in ways I don’t like
  2. I prefer a world when goods with zero sharing cost are freely shared. Mandatory monetization destroys the value from people who would have benefited from a post a little but not enough to justify the price, or for whom a particular post would be immensely valuable but there’s no way to know that ahead of time.
  3. This goes double for goods intended to help vulnerable people, such as those with health issues. 
  4. There’s no good way to price blog posts with such range in value. What I really want is a fraction of my shapley value in improving your life, but you that’s impossible to calculate even in retrospect. 
  5. I prefer a world where people read a wide variety of things, instead of Substack World where people pay noticeable money to read their 5 favorites and only their 5 favorites. 

Conclusion

If you decide to contribute to this blog, thank you. It means a lot to me both symbolically and materially.

If you’re one of my 28 existing patrons, double thanks to you for contributing back when the option was hard to find. I look forward to seeing some of you in the new discord and live calls. 

Humming is not a free $100 bill

Last month I posted about humming as a cheap and convenient way to flood your nose with nitric oxide (NO), a known antiviral. Alas, the economists were right, and the benefits were much smaller than I estimated.

The post contained one obvious error and one complication. Both were caught by Thomas Kwa, for which he has my gratitude. When he initially pointed out the error I awarded him a $50 bounty; now that the implications are confirmed I’ve upped that to $250. In two weeks an additional $750 will go to either him or to whoever provides new evidence that causes me to retract my retraction.

Humming produces much less nitric oxide than Enovid

I found the dosage of NO in Enovid in a trial registration. Unfortunately I misread the dose-  what I original read as  â€ś0.11ppm NO/hour” was in fact “0.11ppm NO*hour”. I spent a while puzzling out what this meant, with the help of Thomas Kwa, some guy on twitter, and chatGPT (the first time it’s been genuinely useful to me). My new interpretation is that this means “actual concentration upon application*1 hour/time at that concentration”. Since NO is a transient molecule, this means my guess for the amount of NO in Enovid was off by 2-3 orders of magnitude.

My estimates for the amount of NO released by humming may also be too high. I used this paper’s numbers for baseline NO concentration. However the paper I used to estimate the increase gave its own baseline number, which was an order of magnitude lower than the first paper.

This wasn’t intentional cherrypicking- I’d seen “15-20x increase in concentration” cited widely and often without sources. I searched for and spotchecked that one source but mostly to look at the experimental design. When I was ready to do math I used its increase but separately looked up the baseline concentration, and found the paper I cited.

I just asked google again and got an even higher estimate of baseline nasal concentration, so seems like there is a great deal of disagreement here.

If this were the only error I’d spend the time to get a more accurate estimate. But it looks like even the highest estimate will be a fraction of Enovid’s dose, so it’s not worth the energy to track down.

Using the new values, you’d need 28 minutes of humming to recreate the amount of NO in Enovid (spreadsheet here). That wouldn’t be so bad spread out over 4-6 hours, except that multiple breaths of humming in a row face diminishing returns, with recovery to baseline taking 3 minutes. It is possible to achieve this in 6 hours, but only just. And while it’s not consequential enough to bother to look it up, I think some of the papers applied Enovid more often than that.

This leaves humming in search of a use case. People who care a lot about respiratory illnesses are better off using Enovid or another nasal spray. People who don’t care very much are never going to carefully pace their humming; and the amount of humming they might do won’t be very effective. The only use case I see is people who care a lot and are pushed into a high risk situation without notice, or who want a feeling of of Doing Something even if it is not doing very much at all.

Reasons to not write off humming entirely

The math above assumes the effect is linear with the amount of NO released, regardless of application time. My guess is that frequent lower doses are more effective than the same amount as a one off. Probably not one effective enough to give humming a good non-emergency use case though.

Another possibility is that Enovid has more nitric oxide than necessary and most of it is wasted. But again, it would have to be a lot moreto make this viable.

Conclusions

Humming hasn’t been disproven as an anti-viral intervention, but the primary reason I believed it worked has been destroyed. I will be observing a six week period of mourning for both my hope in humming and generally feeling dumb.

The fact that I merely feel kind of dumb, instead of pricing out swords with which to commit seppuku, is thanks to the little angel that sits on my shoulder while I write. It constantly asks “how will you feel about this sentence if you turn out to be wrong?” and demands edits until the answer is either “a manageable amount of unhappy” or “That’s not going to come up”. This post thoroughly tested her work and found it exemplary, so she will be spending the next six weeks partying in Vegas.

[RETRACTED] Do you believe in hundred dollar bills lying on the ground? Consider humming

Introduction

[Reminder: I am an internet weirdo with no medical credentials]

A few months ago, I published some crude estimates of the power of nitric oxide nasal spray to hasten recovery from illness, and speculated about what it could do prophylactically. While working on that piece a nice man on Twitter alerted me to the fact that humming produces lots of nasal nitric oxide. This post is my very crude model of what kind of anti-viral gains we could expect from humming.

ETA 6/6: I made a major error in this post and its numbers are incorrect. The new numbers show that matching Enovid’s nitric oxide content, or even getting close enough for a meaningful effect, takes way more humming than anyone is going to do.

I’ve encoded my model at Guesstimate. The results are pretty favorable (average estimated impact of 66% reduction in severity of illness), but extremely sensitive to my made-up numbers. Efficacy estimates go from ~0 to ~95%, depending on how you feel about publication bias, what percent of Enovid’s impact can be credited to nitric oxide, and humming’s relative effect. Given how made up speculative some of these numbers are, I strongly encourage you to make up  speculate some numbers of your own and test them out in the guesstimate model.

If you want to know how nitric oxide reduces disease, check out my original post.

Math

Estimating the impact of Enovid 

I originally estimated the (unadjusted) efficacy of nitric oxide nasal sprays after diagnosis at 90% overall reduction in illness, killing ~50% of viral particles per application. Enovid has three mechanisms of action. Of the papers I looked at in that post, one mentioned two of the three (including nitric oxide) a second mechanism but not the third, and the other only mentioned nitric oxide. So how much of theat estimated efficacy is due to nitric oxide alone? I don’t know, so I put a term in the guesstimate with a very wide range. I set the lower bound to â…“ (one of three mechanisms) to 1 (if all effect was due to NO). 

There’s also the question of how accurate the studies I read are. There are only two, they’re fairly small, and they’re both funded by Enovid’s manufacturer. One might reasonably guess that their numbers are an overestimate. I put another fudge factor in for publication bias, ranging from 0.01 (spray is useless) to 1 (published estimate is accurate).

How much nitric oxide does Enovid release?

This RCT registration uses a nitric oxide nasal spray (and mentions no other mechanisms). They don’t give a brand name but it’s funded by the company that produces Enovid. In this study, each application delivers 0.56 mL of nitric oxide releasing solution (NORS) (this is the same dose you get from commercial Enovid), which delivers “0.11ppm [NO]*hrs”. 

There’s a few things that confusing phrase could mean:

  • The solution keeps producing 0.11ppm NO for several hours (very unlikely). 
  • The application produces 0.88ppm NO almost immediately (0.11*8, where 8 hours is the inter-application interval), which quickly reacts to form some other molecule. This is my guess, and what I’ll use going forward. It won’t turn out to matter much. 
  • Some weirder thing. ETA 5/25: Thomas Kwa points out that the registration says “0.11ppm*hrs” not “0.11ppm/hr”. I’m on a tight deadline for another project so haven’t been able to look into this; it definitely seems like my interpretation is wrong, but I’m not sure his is right. I’ve reached out to some biology friends for help.

How much nitric oxide does humming move into the nose?

Here we have much more solid numbers. NO concentration is easy to measure. Individuals vary of course, but on average humming increases NO concentration in the nose by 15x-20x. Given baseline levels of (on average) 0.14ppm in women and 0.18ppm in men, this works out to a 1.96-3.42 ppm increase. More than twice what Enovid manages.

The dominant model is that the new NO in the nose is borrowed from the sinuses rather than being newly generated. Even if this is true I don’t think it matters; sinus concentrations are 100x higher than the nose’s and replenish quickly. 

Estimating the impact of humming

As far as I can find, there are no published studies on  humming as an antimicrobial intervention. There is lots of circumstantial evidence from nasal vs. mouth breathing, but no slam dunks. So I’m left to make up numbers for my Guesstimate:

  • Paper-reported decline in illness due to spray (0.9) 
  • Proportion of effect due to NO (0.33 to 1)
  • Adjustment for publication bias (.01 to 1)
  • Adjustment for using prophylactically rather than after diagnosis (0.75 to 2.5) (set this to 1 if you want to consider post-diagnosis use)
  • Bonus to humming due to higher NO levels and more frequent application (1 to 5) 
  • I capped the results so they couldn’t suggest that the effect size was less than 0  or greater than 1, and then applied the nasal-infection discount. 
  • Proportion of infections starting in the nose (because infections in the throat should see no effect from humming) (0.9 to 1) (set this to 1 if you believe the spray effect estimate already includes this effect)

From that I get an estimate of effect of 0 to 0.98, with an average of 0.67. This is of course incredibly sensitive to assumptions I pulled out of my ass. If you prefer numbers from your own ass, you can enter them into my model here. For comparison, microcovid.org estimates that masks have an efficacy against of 33% (for thick, snug cloth masks) to 87% (well-sealed n95s). 

How to hum

Here is what I’ve advised my elderly parents, and will use myself once I find a way to keep it from activating the painful nerve damage in my jaw:

  • This really is normal humming, just be sure to exhale entirely through your nose.
    • If you google “how to hum” you will mostly get results on singing exercises, which I think are suboptimal. This very annoying video has decent instructions on how to hum with your lips sealed. 
    • Higher pitch (where the vibration lives more in the nose and less in the throat) should be more effective, but making it easy to do is probably more important.
    • You only need to do one breath per session, after that you face diminishing returns.
  • Once per hour is probably overkill, but it’s also easy to remember. Alternately, pick a trigger like entering a room or opening Twitter.
    • A beta reader asked if it was worth waking up in the middle of the night to hum. I’m still not a doctor, but my immediate reaction was “Jesus Christ no”. Sleep is so important, and once per hour is a number I made up for convenience. However if you happen to wake up in the middle of the night, I expect that’s an especially valuable time to hum.
  • The less time between exposure and humming, the better. Since you can’t always know when you’ve been exposed, this suggests humming during and after every high risk event, or making it an everyday habit if you find it cheap.
  • How long after? For Enovid I made up a plan to use it for one full day after the last high risk period, which my very crude math estimates gives your body an extra day to ramp up your immune system. 

Are there downsides?

Everything with a real effect has downsides.  I’m struggling to come up with ones that won’t be immediately obvious, like vibrating a broken nose or annoying your spouse, but I’ve been surprised before.

One possible source of downsides is that the nitric oxide was more valuable in the sinuses than the nose. This doesn’t worry me much because sinus levels are 100x nasal levels, and judging from the exhalation experiments sinus levels completely recover in 3 minutes. 

The barest scraps of other evidence

This (tiny) study found that Bhramari Pranayama (which includes humming) reduced sinusitis more than conventional treatment. But the same size of 30 (per group) and lack of a no-treatment group makes this hard to take seriously.

There appeared to be a plethora of literature that nasal breathers had fewer respiratory infections than mouth breathers. I wouldn’t find this convincing even every study showed a strong effect (because it’s over such a long time period and impossible to track causality), so I didn’t bother to investigate. 

Some dude may or may not have eliminated his chronic rhinosinusitis (inflammation of nose and sinuses) that may or may not have had an infectious component by humming, which may or may not have worked by increasing nasal nitric oxide. He used a very different protocol that to my eye looks more likely to work via sheer vibration than by nitric oxide, especially because a lot of his problem was located in the sinuses.

Reasons to disbelieve

  1. If my model is correct, humming is the equivalent of finding a paper sack full of hundred dollar bills on the ground. Both the boost from humming and the immune function of NO have been known for decades; medical research would have to be really inadequate to produce so little data on this. 
  2. All of the data on the impact of nasal nitric oxide is on covid; maybe NO is less effective on other viruses.
  3. If nasal nitric oxide is so great, why did evolution give us the nasal NO concentration it did?
    1. I love me a good evolution-based argument, but I think they’re at their weakest for contagious diseases. Relative to the ancestral environment we have a much easier time finding calories to fuel our immune system and diseases with which to keep it busy, so we should expect our immune systems to be underpowered. 
  4. If humming has any effect outside the nose, it has got to be tiny. 

Conclusion

Hourly nasal humming might be as effective as masks at reducing respiratory infections. The biggest reasons to disbelieve are the paucity of data, and skepticism that society would miss something this beneficial. If you’re the kind of person who looks at an apparent hundred dollar bill on the ground and gets excited, humming seems like an unusually good thing to try. But if the pursuit of loose bills feels burdensome or doomed, I think you should respect your instincts.

I have an idea for how to generate more data on humming and respiratory illnesses, but it requires a large conference in winter. If you’re running a conference with 500+ nerds, in your local winter, with a majority of attendees coming from locations in local winter, I’d love to chat. You can reach me at elizabeth@acesounderglass.com.

Betadine oral rinses for covid and other viral infections

Before we get started, this is your quarterly reminder that I have no medical credentials and my highest academic credential is a BA in a different part of biology (with a double major in computer science). In a world with a functional medical system no one would listen to me. 

Tl;dr povidone iodine probably reduces viral load when used in the mouth or nose, with corresponding decreases in symptoms and infectivity. The effect size could be as high as 90% for prophylactic use (and as low as 0% when used in late illness), but is probably much smaller. There is a long tail of side-effects. No study I read reported side effects at clinically significant levels, but I don’t think they looked hard enough. There are other gargle formulas that may have similar benefits without the risk of side effects, which are in my queue to research.

Benefits

Math

One paper found a 90% decrease in salivary viral load after mouthwash use (which probably overestimates the effect). Another found a 90% reduction in bad outcomes, with treatment (in mouth, nose, and eyes) starting soon after diagnosis. I suspect both of these are overestimates but 1. 90% reduction is a fantastic upper bound to have 2. Neither of these looked at prophylactic use. A third study found a significant reduction in viral DNA after usage, but did not quantify that by viral load or outcomes. 

I feel like if povidone iodine was actually that good we’d have heard about it before. OTOH mouthwash formulations are barely available in the US, and most of these studies were in Asia, so maybe it went to fixation there years ago and the west is just catching up. 

So I’m going to call this 9-45% reduction in illness timeXintensity when used after symptom onset. Before onset ought to be higher, my wild ass guess is up to 90%. 

One reason I think earlier use is better is that, at least with covid, most of the real damage happens when the virus reaches the lungs. If iodine gargles can form a firewall that prevents an upper respiratory infection from becoming a lower respiratory infection, you’ve prevented most (although not all) of the worst outcomes.

Papers

I livetweeted every paper I read, collected here. I don’t want to brag, but those tweets were very popular among ladies with large boobs and 10 numbers in their twitter handles. So if that’s your type you should definitely check out those threads. Everyone else will probably find them tedious, so I’m going to summarize the most relevant papers here.

Estimating salivary carriage of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 in nonsymptomatic people and efficacy of mouthrinse in reducing viral load: A randomized controlled trial

This study had participants rinse their mouth with one of four mouthwashes, and compared the pre-mouthwash salivary viral load with the viral load 15 and 45 minutes later. The overall effect was very strong: 3 of the washes had a 90% total reduction, and the loser of the bunch still had a 70% reduction (error bars fairly large). 

Note that despite the title, they only gave mouthwashes to participants with symptoms.

My guess is this is an overestimate of impact, because I expect an oral rinse to have a larger effect on saliva than on cellular levels. I wish they’d tested 4-6 hours later, after the virus had had some time to regrow.

Effect of 1% Povidone Iodine Mouthwash/Gargle, Nasal and Eye Drop in COVID-19 patient 

On one hand, this paper features significant ESL issues, missing data, terrible presentation of other data, and was published in a no-name journal. On the other hand, it had one of the best study designs and 30x the number of participants of other studies. I’d love to discard this paper but there aren’t better options.

We see an almost 90% reduction in testing positive on the third day. I suspect that overstates the results because it lowers salivary or nasal fluid viral load more than cellular load, so let’s look at outcomes:

90% reduction in hospitalization, 85% reduction in oxygen use, and  88% reduction in death. 

I was skeptical of these numbers at first, especially because they only tell you the total number of an age/sex group in the study, and the number of people in a demographic group with a bad outcome. Their percentages also don’t work out properly, making it hard to see the real impact. 

Luckily almost everyone in the control group was still PCR positive on day 3, which is almost like having a participant count. The number of control participants still sick on day 3 is indeed about half of every demographic. This doesn’t rule out trickier stuff like putting people at the higher end of their age band in the control group, but it’s a good deal better than that one paper where the youngest person in the control group was a year younger than the oldest person in the treatment group. 

The short-term effect of different chlorhexidine forms versus povidone iodine mouth rinse in minimizing the oral SARS-CoV-2 viral load: An open label randomized controlled clinical trial study

I originally ignored this paper, because it only reported Ct values and not outcomes or viral load.* However the previous two papers are from the same author and have shockingly concordant results, and I wanted a second opinion. 

[*Ct value = how often you have to run the PCR machine on a sample to get over a particular threshold. This corresponds to viral load but the relationship is complicated and variable. A higher Ct value means lower viral load]

The most important finding is that Ct went up by 3.3 (S genes) and 4.4 (E genes). 

N=12 so I’m not thrilled with this study, but pickings are slim. 

Side Effects, Or: Should I just gargle iodine all the time then?

Barring very specific circumstances, I wouldn’t. There are several issues that give me pause about long term continuous use.

Hyperthyroidism

Povidone iodine skin washes can cause hyperthyroidism in infants. Among adults, many studies found increases in Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (an indicator of issues but not itself terrible), but not T3 or T4 (directly casual to outcomes). These studies tend to be small and in some cases used the wrong statistical test that missed a long tail clearly visible in their plots, so I assume there exist people for whom this creates a clinically significant effect, especially after prolonged use.

I didn’t include this paper when calculating health benefits, because its control group was too different from its treatment group. But it’s still potentially useful for tracking side effects (although at n=12, it’s still pretty limited). It found a 50% increase in TSH after a week of treatment, but no change in T3 or T4. TSH returned to normal within 12 days of ceasing treatment. That’s not worrisome for healthy people on its own, but could easily reach worrisome with longer use or a vulnerable patient. 

Tissue damage could leave you worse off?

There is a long history of aggressive use of topical antimicrobial treatments leaving users worse off due to long term tissue irritation. This is why proper wound treatment changes every decade. That same study looked at this and found no increase in cellular irritation in the throat after six months of use. It’s possible they didn’t look hard enough, or they didn’t have sufficient sample size to catch the effect. It’s also possible the species that invented ghost peppers for fun has a throat surface built to handle irritation and iodine is too weak to hurt us

Oral microbiome damage could leave you worse off?

No one studied this at all, but it looks to me like an obvious failure point. I already use oral probiotics, but if I didn’t I would add them in while using iodine.

How to use

0.5% povidone iodine is sold under the brand name Betadine. You can also buy more concentrated povidone iodine and dilute it yourself. You might be tempted to use a higher concentration, but: 1. Remember the long tail of side-effects. 2. There’s some weird evidence that higher concentrations are less effective. I didn’t dig into this very weird claim but you probably should if you plan to try it. 

The Betadine bottle recommends gargling 10ml for 30s, 4x/day. The short term studies used 4-6x/day. Spacing that out is nontrivial attention tax, so when I was sick I just put the bottle on my bathroom sink and used it every time I used the bathroom. This probably comes out to more than 6x/day (especially when I’m sick and chugging fluids), but I also didn’t use a full 10ml and rarely made it to a full 30s, so hopefully it balanced out. 

More Data Needed

The state of existing knowledge around iodine gargles is poor. This is especially frustrating because I don’t think it should be that challenging to gather more. I’m toying with a plan to fix this, but will publish separately since it’s not specific to iodine. 

For financial support I would like to thank my Patreon supports and Lightspeed grants.

Nitric oxide for covid and other viral infections

Epistemic status: I spent about 5 hours looking into this, and the next day developed covid myself.  I did a bit more research plus all of the writing while sick. So in addition to my normal warning that I have no medical credentials, you should keep in mind that this knowledge may be cursed. 

ETA 4-30-24: In this post I used “nitric oxide spray” and “enovid” as synonyms. I’ve since learned this is incorrect, NO is one of several mechanisms Enovid uses. The other mechanisms weren’t mentioned in the papers I cite so it’s possible these are accurate for NO alone.

Introduction

Nitric Oxide Nasal Spray, sold under the brand name Enovid, is a reactive compound that kills viruses (and I suspect taxes your nasal tissue). It has recently been tested and marketed for treatment of covid. The protocol I found in papers was 2 sprays per nostril every 2-3 hours, after you develop symptoms. Enovid’s instructional pamphlets say twice per day, also after you get sick. This seems a little late to me.

I suspect the real power of NONS lies in use before you develop symptoms, ideally as close to exposure as possible. This is difficult because you don’t know when you would have gotten sick, and I suspect there are costs to indefinite use. I initially thought (and told people, as a tentative guess) that one round of 4 total sprays after a high risk event was a good trade off. After doing the math for this post, that intervention seems much less helpful to me, and picking the right length of post-exposure prophylaxis depends on equations for which we lack good numbers. I pulled some numbers out of my ass for this post, but you should not trust them. 

My guess is NONS is minimally useful once covid has reached the throat, unless you combine it with a separate disinfectant of the throat. I hope to write up a report on one such disinfectant soon, although TBH it’s not looking good. 

NONS can lead to false negatives on any test based on a nasal swab, because it breaks the relationship between nasal viral load and overall load.

How does it work?

First, nitric oxide is highly reactive, which makes it destructive to anything organic. Virions are fragile to this kind of direct attack, and certain immune cells will produce nitric oxide to kill bacteria, viruses, and your own diseased cells.

First-and-a-half, nitric oxide may alter the pH of your nose, and this effect may last well past the death of the original NO molecules. This was an aside in one paper, and I haven’t followed up on it. 

Second, nitric oxide is a signaling molecule within your body, probably including but definitely not limited to the immune system. I assume the immune system uses it as a signal because it serving a functional purposes. For the rest of body the selling point appears be that it crosses membranes easily but dies quickly, making it useful when the body wants the signal to fade quickly. Viagra works by indirectly increasing your body’s synthesis of nitric oxide. 

How well does it work?

Good question, and it depends a lot on how you use it.

My best guess is that a single application (2 sprays in each nostril) of Envoid ~halves the viral load in your nose. Covid doubles in 36 hours, so that’s how much extra time you’ve bought your immune system to ramp up defenses. If you follow the more aggressive protocols in the literature and apply that treatment 6 times per day, you wipe out 95% of covid in the nose. I will attempt to translate this an efficacy estimate in that mythical future, but in the meantime siderea has a write-up on why reducing viral load is valuable even if you can’t destroy it entirely

Sometimes you will see very impressive graphs for Enovid’s impact; these are inevitably looking at the results of nasal swabs. Since even in the best case scenario NONS doesn’t affect spread once an infection has reached the throat, this doesn’t feel very relevant to me. 

Sometimes you will see very unimpressive graphs, from the rare studies that looked at transmission or symptoms. These effects are so weak, in such small studies, that I consider them essentially a null result.

…Except that these studies all started treatment days after symptoms emerged. In one case it was a minimum of 4 days. Another said “0-3 days” after symptoms, but since it takes time to see a doctor and be recruited into a study I expect the average to be on the high end of that. Additionally, both studies showed a downward slope in infection in both treatment and control groups. This is a big deal because I expect the largest effect to come if NONS is used before exponential growth really takes off. If they’re seeing a decline in viral load in their control arm, they either administered treatment too late or their placebo isn’t. 

[I think this reasoning holds even if immune overreaction is part of the problems with long covid. Long covid is correlated with severity of initial infection.]

To figure the impact of prophylactic use, I’m going to have to get, uh, speculative. Before I do that, let me dig into exactly what the data says. 

Effect size on nasal viral load

This has very solid data: even under the unfavorable circumstances of a strong infection, a day of usage drops viral load by 90-95%

Paper 1 says 95% reduction in one day, 99% in two. They took samples from the nose and throat but don’t clarify which location that applies to. If I had the energy I’d be very angry about that right now. 

(Their placebo was a saline spray, which other people claim is an antimicrobial in its own right, so this may understate the effect)

Paper 2 finds an adjusted 93-98% decline after 1 day’s use of NONS. 

Effect on symptoms/transmission, as measured by poorly designed studies

Paper 1 did track time to cure, but with a 40% response rate on a sample size of 40 in the treatment arm I can’t bring myself to care.

Paper 2 reported a couple of metrics. One is “Time to cure (as defined by PCR results)” which is still worthless because it’s still using a nasal swab. Another is clinician-assessed improvement; this effect seemed real but not huge. 

They also checked for spread to close contacts, but not very well. Contacts had to take the initiative to get tested themselves, and AFAICT they didn’t establish if they were infected before or after treatment started.  You can try to factor that out by only looking at the last day of recorded data, but the difference appears to start on day 1 of treatment, when there absolutely shouldn’t be an effect. 

Other Diseases

NONS has been studied against other infections and I fully meant to look at that data. Now that I have actual covid I consider it kind of a race to get this post out before I’m too tired, so this will come later if at all.

My wild ass guess of impact

What does a single dose do? I did a very stupid model assuming six doses over 24 hours each having the same proportionate effect, and found that halving viral load with each application was a perfect match with the data. I expect the first dose of the day has a larger effect and each one is a little less effective until you sleep and the virus has some time to marshal forces, but barring better data I’m going to treat Enovid as rolling back one doubling. 

[I want to emphasize I didn’t massage this to make the math easier. I tried .9 in my naive spreadsheet knowing it wouldn’t work, and then tried 0.5 to find it perfectly matched the data]

If my covid infection starts in the nose and I take a full course of treatment immediately after exposure, <10% chance I get sick. But that’s unachievable without constant use, which I think is a bad idea (see below).

What if you’re infected, but only in your nose? It’s a 95% reduction per day. It’s anyone’s guess how much that reduces the chance of spread to your throat; I’d say 95% is the upper bound, and am very arbitrarily setting 50% as the lower bound for the first day (this time I am trying to make the math easier). But you’re also reducing the cumulative load; on day three (after two days of treatment), your viral load is 99% lower than it would otherwise be, before you take any new doses.

I suspect the real killer app here is combining Enovid with a throat disinfectant, and am prioritizing a review of at least one throat disinfectant in a future post. 

Can I get this effect for free, without the painful stinging or logistical hassle of a nasal spray?

Maybe. Your nose already naturally produces nitric oxide, and you can increase this by 15x by humming. I haven’t been able to find the dosage of a single spray of Enovid to compare, but humming doesn’t sting so I assume it’s a lot less. On the other hand, you can hum more often than six times per day. On the third hand, I can’t tell if humming causes you to produce more NO or just release it faster, in which case chronic humming might deplete your stores. 

A quick search found multiple published articles suggesting this, but none actually studying it. The cynic in me says this is because there’s no money in it, but this study would take pennies to run and be so high impact if it worked that I suspect this is less promising than it seems. 

Update 2024-10-01: No.

Thank you to Michael Tontchev on twitter for pointing me towards humming.

Should I just use this all the time?

I don’t regularly use Envoid, despite having a shit immune system. The history of treatments like this is that long term use causes more problems than it solves. They dry out mucous membranes, or kill your own immune cells. I think the rest of you should seriously consider developing a humming habit; alas I have nerve damage in my jaw that makes vibration painful so not an option for me. 

I do think there’s a case for prophylactic use during high risk situations like conferences or taking care of a sick loved one. 

Where can I buy Enovid?

Amazon has it, but at $100/bottle it’s quite expensive. You can get it from other websites for half the price but longer shipping times; my friend used israelpharm.com and confirms he got his shipment. 

Inositol Non-Results

Three months ago I suggested people consider inositol for treating combined vague mood issues and vague stomach issues. I knew a few people who’d really benefited from it, and when one talked about it on his popular Twitter account several more people popped up thanking him for the suggestion, because it fixed their lives too. But those reports didn’t come with a denominator, which made it hard to estimate the success rate; I was hoping mentioning it on my blog and doing a formal follow-up to capture the non-responders would give a more accurate number.

Unfortunately, I didn’t get enough people to do anything useful. I received 7 responses, of which 3 didn’t have digestive issues and thus weren’t really the target. The low response rate might be a consequence of giving the wrong link in the original follow-up post, or maybe it just wasn’t that interesting. I’m reporting the results anyway out of a sense of civic virtue. 

Of those 4 remaining responses:

  • 2 rated it exactly 5 out of 10 (neutral)
  • 1 rated it as 6, which was not strong enough for them to try it a third time.
  • 1 rated it as 3- not bad enough that they spontaneously noticed a problem, but they did detailed mood tracking and the linear regression was clearly bad. 

That response rate isn’t really low enough to prove anything except that anything with a real effect can hurt you, and the value of detailed data. So for now we just have David’s estimate that 5% of people he inspired to take inositol benefited from it. 

Follow-up survey: inositol

Two months ago I wrote about inositol as a treatment that occasionally works for anxiety and depression, especially when the user also has weird digestive issues (not medical advice, I am not a doctor). If that inspired you to try inositol I would love if you would fill out this 5-7 question survey about your experience. This follow-up data helps other people considering inositol, and is broadly helpful to me in figuring out what luck based medicine looks like. 

And to the four people who already filled this out: gold star for epistemic virtue. 

The survey doesn’t allow for a lot of detail, which I know is painful for some people (it’s me. I’m people). If you would like to share more, feel free to write up as much as you’d like in a comment here, or share a link detailing your experience.

Elsewhere in luck based medicine: it was a dude in my survey, but I met a few more people who really love the Apollo Neuro. They are all the kind of people who already know what “somatically aware” or “embodiment” mean, so this is some support for my theory that that’s a prerequisite. It’s still an open question if you need that background for the Neuro to be beneficial, to notice it’s beneficial, or to stick with it long enough that it has time to be beneficial. 

The Apollo app has gotten even worse since last time I wrote. Every time I open it it bugs me to enable notifications, a permission it absolutely does not need. 

Grant Making and Grand Narratives

Another inside baseball EA post

The Lightspeed application asks:  “What impact will [your project] have on the world? What is your project’s goal, how will you know if you’ve achieved it, and what is the path to impact?”

LTFF uses an identical question, and SFF puts it even more strongly (“What is your organization’s plan for improving humanity’s long term prospects for survival and flourishing?”). 

I’ve applied to all three grants of these at various points, and I’ve never liked this question. It feels like it wants a grand narrative of an amazing, systemic project that will measurably move the needle on x-risk. But I’m typically applying for narrowly defined projects, like “Give nutrition tests to EA vegans and see if there’s a problem”. I think this was a good project. I think this project is substantially more likely to pay off than underspecified alignment strategy research, and arguably has as good a long tail.  But when I look at “What impact will [my project] have on the world?” the project feels small and sad. I feel an urge to make things up, and express far more certainty for far more impact than I  believe. Then I want to quit, because lying is bad but listing my true beliefs feels untenable.

I’ve gotten better at this over time, but I know other people with similar feelings, and I suspect it’s a widespread issue (I encourage you to share your experience in the comments so we can start figuring that out).

I should note that the pressure for grand narratives has good points; funders are in fact looking for VC-style megabits. I think that narrow projects are underappreciated, but for purposes of this post that’s beside the point: I think many grantmakers are undercutting their own preferred outcomes by using questions that implicitly push for a grand narrative. I think they should probably change the form, but I also think we applicants can partially solve the problem by changing how we interact with the current forms.

My goal here is to outline the problem, gesture at some possible solutions, and create a space for other people to share data. I didn’t think about my solutions very long, I am undoubtedly missing a bunch and what I do have still needs workshopping, but it’s a place to start. 
 

More on the costs of the question

Pushes away the most motivated people

Even if you only care about subgoal G instrumentally, G may be best accomplished by people who care about it for its own sake. Community building (real building, not a euphemism for recruitment) benefits from knowing the organizer cares about participants and the community as people and not just as potential future grist for the x-risk mines.* People repeatedly recommended a community builder friend of mine apply for funding, but they struggled because they liked organizing for its own sake, and justifying it in x-risk terms felt bad. 

[*Although there are also downsides to organizers with sufficiently bad epistemics.]

Additionally, if G is done by someone who cares about it for its own sake, then it doesn’t need to be done by someone whose motivated by x-risk. Highly competent, x-risk motivated people are rare and busy, and we should be delighted by opportunities to take things off their plate.
 

Vulnerable to grift

You know who’s really good at creating exactly the grand narrative a grantmaker wants to hear? People who feel no constraint to be truthful. You can try to compensate for this by looking for costly signals of loyalty or care, but those have their own problems. 

 

Punishes underconfidence

Sometimes people aren’t grifting, they really really believe in their project, but they’re wrong. Hopefully grantmakers are pretty good at filtering out those people. But it’s fairly hard to correct for people who are underconfident, and impossible to correct for people who never apply because they’re intimidated. 

Right now people try to solve the second problem by loudly encouraging everyone to apply to their grant. That creates a lot of work for evaluators, and I think is bad for the people with genuinely mediocre projects who will never get funding. You’re asking them to burn their time so that you don’t miss someone else’s project. Having a form that allows for uncertainty and modest goals is a more elegant solution.
 

Corrupts epistemics

Not that much. But I think it’s pretty bad if people are forced to choose between “play the game of exaggerating impact” and “go unfunded”. Even if the game is in fact learnable, it’s a bad use of their time and weakens the barriers to lying in the future. 

Pushes projects to grow beyond their ideal scope

Recently I completed a Lightspeed application for a lit review on stimulants. I felt led by the form to create a grand narrative of how the project could expand, including developing a protocol for n of 1 tests so individuals could tailor their medication usage. I think that having that protocol would be great and I’d be delighted if someone else developed it, but I don’t want to develop it myself. I noticed the feature creep and walked it back before I submitted the form, but the fact that the form pushes this is a cost.  

This one isn’t caused by the impact question alone. The questions asking about potential expansion are a much bigger deal, but would also be costlier to change. There are many projects and organizations where “what would you do with more money?” is a straightforwardly important question.
 

Rewards cultural knowledge independent of merit

There’s nothing stopping you from submitting a grant with the theory of change “T will improve EA epistemics”, and not justifying past that. I did that recently, and it worked. But I only felt comfortable doing that because I had a pretty good model of the judges and because it was a Lightspeed grant, which explicitly says they’ll ask you if they have follow-up questions. Without either of those I think I would have struggled to figure out where to stop explaining. Probably there are equally good projects from people with less knowledge of the grantmakers, and it’s bad that we’re losing those proposals. 

Brainstorming fixes

I’m a grant-applier, not a grant-maker. These are some ideas I came up with over a few hours. I encourage other people to suggest more fixes, and grant-makers to tell us why they won’t work or what constraints we’re not aware of. 
 

  • Separate “why you want to do this?” or “why do you think this is good?” from “how will this reduce x-risk?”. Just separating the questions will reduce the epistemic corruption. 
  • Give a list of common instrumental goals that people can treat as terminal for the purpose of this form. They still need to justify the chain between their action and that instrumental goal, but they don’t need to justify why achieving that goal would be good.
    • E.g. “improve epistemic health of effective altruism community”, or “improve productivity of x-risk researchers”.
    • This opens opportunities for goodharting, or for imprecise description leaving you open to implementing bad versions of good goals. I think there are ways to handle this that end up being strongly net beneficial.
    • I would advocate against “increase awareness” and “grow the movement” as goals. Growth is only generically useful when you know what you want the people to do. Awareness of specific things among specific people is a more appropriate scope. 
    • Note that the list isn’t exhaustive, and if people want to gamble on a different instrumental goal that’s allowed. 
  • Let applicants punt to others to explain the instrumental impact of what is to them a terminal goal.
    • My community organizer friend could have used this. Many people encouraged them to apply for funding because they believed the organizing was useful to x-risk efforts. Probably at least a few were respected by grantmakers and would have been happy to make the case. But my friend felt gross doing it themselves, so it created a lot of friction in getting very necessary financing.
  • Let people compare their projects to others. I struggle to say “yeah if you give me $N I will give you M microsurvivals”. How could I possibly know that? But it often feels easy to say “I believe this is twice as impactful as this other project you funded”, or “I believe this in the nth percentile of grants you funded last year”.
    • This is tricky because grants don’t necessarily mean a funder believes a project is straightforwardly useful. But I think there’s a way to make this doable. 
    • E.g. funders could give examples with percentile. I think open phil did something like this in the last year, although can’t find it now. The lower percentiles could be hypothetical, to avoid implicit criticism. 
  • Lightspeed’s implication that they’ll ask follow-up questions is very helpful. With other forms there’s a drive to cover all possible bases very formally, because I won’t get another chance. With Lightspeed it felt available to say “I think X is good because it will lead to Y”, and let them ask me why Y was good if they don’t immediately agree.
  • When asking about impact, lose the phrase “on the world”. The primary questions are what goal is, how they’ll know if it’s accomplished, and what the feedback loops are.  You can have an optional question asking for the effects of meeting the goal.
    • I like the word “effects” more than “impact”, which is a pretty loaded term within EA and x-risk. 
  • A friend suggested asking “why do you want to do this?”, and having “look I just organizing socal gatherings” be an acceptable answer. I worry that this will end up being a fake question where people feel the need to create a different grand narrative about how much they genuinely value their project for its own sake, but maybe there’s a solution to that. 
  • Maybe have separate forms for large ongoing organizations, and narrow projects done by individuals. There may not be enough narrow projects to justify this, it might be infeasible to create separate forms for all types of applicants, but I think it’s worth playing with. 
  • [Added 7/2]: Ask for 5th/50th/99th/99.9th percentile outcomes, to elicit both dreams and outcomes you can be judged for failing to meet.
  • [Your idea here]



 

I hope the forms change to explicitly encourage things like the above list, but  I don’t think applicants need to wait. Grantmakers are reasonable people who I can only imagine are tired of reading mediocre explanations of why community building is important. I think they’d be delighted to be told “I’m doing this because I like it, but $NAME_YOU_HIGHLY_RESPECT wants my results” (grantmakers: if I’m wrong please comment as soon as possible).   

Grantmakers: I would love it if you would comment with any thoughts, but especially what kinds of things you think people could do themselves to lower the implied grand-narrative pressure on applications. I’m also very interested in why you like the current forms, and what constraints shaped them.

Grant applicants: I think it will be helpful to the grantmakers if you share your own experiences, how the current questions make you feel and act, and what you think would be an improvement. I know I’m not the only person who is uncomfortable with the current forms, but I have no idea how representative I am. 

Truthseeking when your disagreements lie in moral philosophy

[Status: latest entry in a longrunning series]

My last post on truthseeking in EA vegan advocacy got a lot of comments, but there’s one in particular I want to highlight as highly epistemically cooperative. I have two motivations for this:

  • having just spotlighted some of the most epistemically uncooperative parts of a movement, it feels just to highlight good ones
  • I think some people will find it surprising that I call this comment highly truthseeking and epistemically cooperative, which makes it useful for clarifying how I use those words. 

In a tangential comment thread, I asked Tristan Williams why he thought veganism was more emotionally sustainable than reducitarianism. He said:


Yeah sure. I would need a full post to explain myself, but basically I think that what seems to be really important when going vegan is standing in a certain sort of loving relationship to animals, one that isn’t grounded in utility but instead a strong (but basic) appreciation and valuing of the other. But let me step back for a minute

I guess the first time I thought about this was with my university EA group. We had a couple of hardcore utilitarians, and one of them brought up an interesting idea one night. He was a vegan, but he’d been offered some mac and cheese, and in similar thinking to above (that dairy generally involves less suffering than eggs or chicken for ex) he wondered if it might actually be better to take the mac and donate the money he would have spent to an animal welfare org. And when he roughed up the math, sure enough, taking the mac and donating was somewhat significantly the better option.  

But he didn’t do it, nor do I think he changed how he acted in the future. Why? I think it’s really hard to draw a line in the sand that isn’t veganism that stays stable over time. For those who’ve reverted, I’ve seen time and again a slow path back, one where it starts with the less bad items, cheese is quite frequent, and then naturally over time one thing after another is added to the point that most wind up in some sort of reduceitarian state where they’re maybe 80% back to normal (I also want to note here, I’m so glad for any change, and I cast no stones at anyone trying their best to change). And I guess maybe at some point it stops being a moral thing, or becomes some really watered down moral thing like how much people consider the environment when booking a plane ticket. 

I don’t know if this helps make it clear, but it’s like how most people feel about harm to younger kids. When it comes to just about any serious harm to younger kids, people are generally against it, like super against it, a feeling of deep caring that to me seems to be one of the strongest sentiments shared by humans universally. People will give you some reasons for this i.e. “they are helpless and we are in a position of responsibility to help them” but really it seems to ground pretty quickly in a sentiment of “it’s just bad”. 

To have this sort of love, this commitment to preventing suffering, with animals to me means pretty much just drawing the line at sentient beings and trying to cultivate a basic sense that they matter and that “it’s just bad” to eat them. Sure, I’m not sure what to do about insects, and wild animal welfare is tricky, so it’s not nearly as easy as I’m making it seem. And it’s not that I don’t want to have any idea of some of the numbers and research behind it all, I know I need to stay up to date on debates on sentience, and I know that I reference relative measures of harm often when I’m trying to guide non-veg people away from the worst harms. But what I’d love to see one day is a posturing towards eating animals like our posturing towards child abuse, a very basic, loving expression that in some sense refuses the debate on what’s better or worse and just casts it all out as beyond the pale. 

And to try to return to earlier, I guess I see taking this sort of position as likely to extend people’s time spent doing veg-related diets, and I think it’s just a lot trickier to have this sort of relationship when you are doing some sort of utilitarian calculus of what is and isn’t above the bar for you (again, much love to these people, something is always so much better than nothing). This is largely just a theory, I don’t have much to back it up, and it would seem to explain some cases of reversion I’ve seen but certainly not all, and I also feel like this is a bit sloppy because I’d really need a post to get at this hard to describe feeling I have. But hopefully this helps explain the viewpoint a bit better, happy to answer any questions 🙂

It’s true that this comment doesn’t use citations or really many objective facts. But what it does have is: 

  • A clear description of what the author believes 
  • Clear identifiers of the author’s cruxes for those beliefs
  • It doesn’t spell out every possible argument but does leave hooks, so if I’m confused it’s easy to ask clarifying questions
  • Disclaimers against common potential misinterpretations. 
  • Forthright description of its own limits
  • Proper hedging and sourcing on the factual claims it does make

This is one form of peak epistemic cooperation. Obviously it’s not the only form, sometimes I want facts with citations and such, but usually only after philosophical issues like this one have been resolved. Sometimes peak truthseeking looks like sincerely sharing your beliefs in ways that invite other people to understand them, which is different than justifying them. And I’d like to see more of that, everywhere.

PS. I know I said the next post would be talking about epistemics in the broader effective altruism community. Even as I wrote that sentence I thought “Are you sure? That’s been your next post for three or four posts now, writing this feels risky”, and I thought “well I really want the next post out before EAG Boston and that doesn’t leave time for any more diversions, we’re already halfway done and caveating “next” would be such a distraction…”. Unsurprisingly I realized the post was less than halfway done and I can’t get the best version done in time for EAG Boston, at which point I might as well write it at a leisurely pace

PPS. Tristan saw a draft of this post before publishing and had some power to veto or edit it. Normally I’d worry that doing so would introduce some bias, but given the circumstances it felt like the best option. I don’t think anyone can accuse me of being unwilling to criticize EA vegan advocacy epistemics, and I was worried that hearing “hey I want to quote your pro-veganism comment in full in a post, don’t worry it will be complimentary, no I can’t show you the post you might bias it” would be stressful.